Without going all TMI on you folks, I want to share that I once experienced the "blue green breastmilk" when my babies were young. We went on a ski trip and took the twin bambinos with us. My mom was watching the babies during the day, so I could have fun skiing. Only problem was, after two or three days of high-elevation all-day skiing, my breastmilk (which I was pumping for her to feed them) turned into something that looked like blue-green water instead of milk. I took a day off from skiing, hung out with Mom and the kids all day, and by that night, my milk had resumed its normal white color and thickness. For the rest of the trip, I only skied every other day, and had no more blue milk. I never bothered to investigate what happened, I just assumed that my body couldn't manage the nutritional needs of that much exercise and still produce milk for two babies.
I wonder if there's anything similar going on with the vaxxed mamas out there--like, are their bodies hoarding nutrients to deal with some chronic illness they now have? Or are their hormones just so unbalanced they can't produce healthy milk anymore?
Nutrient hoarding is an excellent hypothesis. It aligns with some of the infants feeling tired or irritable/agitated. I have no idea otherwise.. The research in this area has been extremely weak in my mind
Interesting experience, but it is good to put that information out there so people are aware this has happened in the past. This might deserve some further investigation, but could easily turn into a red herring like how people were reporting babies born to vaccinated mothers had 'black eyes' as if they weren't human... but ignoring the fact that all babies are born with dark eyes and their eye color changes as it adapts to their new environment.
The paper indicates that a portion of vaccinated women were donating to a milk bank!
How do you not risk confirmatory bias with any of the pregnant/nursing mother data if you've already assured women that the vaccines are so completely safe that they don't even need this data? The fact that this study was based upon maternal reports among women who were probably already biased toward "vaccines are safe" is doubly concerning. (Nobody who gets vaccinated while breastfeeding is on the fence about vaccine safety, right?) And for just 7 days post-vaccination.
Sadly, I feel the bias towards "vaccines are safe" in researchers is what is leaving us with such shoddy data to work with. The same people telling these women the vaccines are safe realistically can not know either way. I am not reassured by the quality of the literature so far...
"Conclusions: These data are reassuring regarding the safety of vaccination in breastfeeding women and their breastfed children with either of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines."
These data are reassuring if you ignore all the abnormalities ~ 🤦♀️
We learned in school that pregnant women should not take any meds at all, not even an aspirin. Same for breastfeeding mothers, because what goes in moms mouth goes into the milk. That was in the seventies. I have not followed up, but I think a pregnant or feeding woman should be ultra careful. Just my idea.
Absolutely agree. I was even more conscious of what I ate while breastfeeding my 5 kids as it felt more obvious that certain things in my diet affected them directly (dairy=eczema) and I completely avoided ALL medication during this time.
Blue green makes me think of copper being excreted into the milk. --- Haven't a clue if this is true or possible, but I do chemistry, so that popped into my head. 😏
Interesting theory. See my comment above on making blue-green milk and see if you have any theories on why being tired/dehydrated might cause a higher excretion of copper. I've always wondered why it happened!
Huh. Interesting. I really don't know what would make the human body excrete copper, or any other mineral, to the extent that it would turn breast milk blue green. In your case the excess exercise makes sense in having a hand in it, but I think you should ask a doctor or physiologist. If you ever find out, LMK, because it's an interesting question. I'm sorry I can't be of help.
I did fail to mention, though, that the described experience was almost 25 years ago! The bambinos survived and thrived despite the maybe-high-copper beverage 😁😁
Jester, there was an infant death due to brain hemorrhage, attributed to the mother's shots (the day before) reported in VAERS. It was in news a few weeks ago, not sure where. Awful.
It is usually white. It pretty much looks like cow's milk, and is generally creamy like whole milk. It will get thinner and look a bit more grey, just like skim milk, if the mom is overtired or undernourished.
It's been 25 years since I expressed any, but my memory tells me that it was thinner and bluer than cow's milk. I remember at the time thinking that it just had less fat.
So, actually blue/green would not ring any alarm bells in my mind.
I agree that this could indicate lower fat/higher water content-- I was blessed with oversupply issues and had to pump and dump for 5-10 minutes before nursing my babies because I found that the watery foremilk would fill them up and leave them fussy before they could even get to the fatty hindmilk. I think it is the foremilk that can have a bluish tinge-- much like skim milk.
Without going all TMI on you folks, I want to share that I once experienced the "blue green breastmilk" when my babies were young. We went on a ski trip and took the twin bambinos with us. My mom was watching the babies during the day, so I could have fun skiing. Only problem was, after two or three days of high-elevation all-day skiing, my breastmilk (which I was pumping for her to feed them) turned into something that looked like blue-green water instead of milk. I took a day off from skiing, hung out with Mom and the kids all day, and by that night, my milk had resumed its normal white color and thickness. For the rest of the trip, I only skied every other day, and had no more blue milk. I never bothered to investigate what happened, I just assumed that my body couldn't manage the nutritional needs of that much exercise and still produce milk for two babies.
I wonder if there's anything similar going on with the vaxxed mamas out there--like, are their bodies hoarding nutrients to deal with some chronic illness they now have? Or are their hormones just so unbalanced they can't produce healthy milk anymore?
Nutrient hoarding is an excellent hypothesis. It aligns with some of the infants feeling tired or irritable/agitated. I have no idea otherwise.. The research in this area has been extremely weak in my mind
Interesting experience, but it is good to put that information out there so people are aware this has happened in the past. This might deserve some further investigation, but could easily turn into a red herring like how people were reporting babies born to vaccinated mothers had 'black eyes' as if they weren't human... but ignoring the fact that all babies are born with dark eyes and their eye color changes as it adapts to their new environment.
The paper indicates that a portion of vaccinated women were donating to a milk bank!
How do you not risk confirmatory bias with any of the pregnant/nursing mother data if you've already assured women that the vaccines are so completely safe that they don't even need this data? The fact that this study was based upon maternal reports among women who were probably already biased toward "vaccines are safe" is doubly concerning. (Nobody who gets vaccinated while breastfeeding is on the fence about vaccine safety, right?) And for just 7 days post-vaccination.
Sadly, I feel the bias towards "vaccines are safe" in researchers is what is leaving us with such shoddy data to work with. The same people telling these women the vaccines are safe realistically can not know either way. I am not reassured by the quality of the literature so far...
It’s a good thing that there isn’t a shortage of baby formula at this time. Oh wait . . .
"Conclusions: These data are reassuring regarding the safety of vaccination in breastfeeding women and their breastfed children with either of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines."
These data are reassuring if you ignore all the abnormalities ~ 🤦♀️
We learned in school that pregnant women should not take any meds at all, not even an aspirin. Same for breastfeeding mothers, because what goes in moms mouth goes into the milk. That was in the seventies. I have not followed up, but I think a pregnant or feeding woman should be ultra careful. Just my idea.
Absolutely agree. I was even more conscious of what I ate while breastfeeding my 5 kids as it felt more obvious that certain things in my diet affected them directly (dairy=eczema) and I completely avoided ALL medication during this time.
Blue green makes me think of copper being excreted into the milk. --- Haven't a clue if this is true or possible, but I do chemistry, so that popped into my head. 😏
Interesting theory. See my comment above on making blue-green milk and see if you have any theories on why being tired/dehydrated might cause a higher excretion of copper. I've always wondered why it happened!
Huh. Interesting. I really don't know what would make the human body excrete copper, or any other mineral, to the extent that it would turn breast milk blue green. In your case the excess exercise makes sense in having a hand in it, but I think you should ask a doctor or physiologist. If you ever find out, LMK, because it's an interesting question. I'm sorry I can't be of help.
I did fail to mention, though, that the described experience was almost 25 years ago! The bambinos survived and thrived despite the maybe-high-copper beverage 😁😁
I didn't nurse my first child and had difficulties nursing my second. It wasn't encouraged in my lifetime. I was born in 1950.
Jester, there was an infant death due to brain hemorrhage, attributed to the mother's shots (the day before) reported in VAERS. It was in news a few weeks ago, not sure where. Awful.
Good report Jestre. What colour is breast milk usually?
Actually doesn't mean that 12% of infants had side effects. Some of the 12% of respondents may have said that they ' didn't know', or not answered.
It is usually white. It pretty much looks like cow's milk, and is generally creamy like whole milk. It will get thinner and look a bit more grey, just like skim milk, if the mom is overtired or undernourished.
It's been 25 years since I expressed any, but my memory tells me that it was thinner and bluer than cow's milk. I remember at the time thinking that it just had less fat.
So, actually blue/green would not ring any alarm bells in my mind.
I agree that this could indicate lower fat/higher water content-- I was blessed with oversupply issues and had to pump and dump for 5-10 minutes before nursing my babies because I found that the watery foremilk would fill them up and leave them fussy before they could even get to the fatty hindmilk. I think it is the foremilk that can have a bluish tinge-- much like skim milk.
Oh, interesting. Mine did look like cows milk usually, so maybe we're all different...
Breastmilk varies in composition and appearance for a lot of reasons, but it usually tends to be on the white-to-yellowish side.
Largely depends on the time of day, hydration, and whether it's foremilk or hindmilk
Well I was stressed indeed, but well nourished.
Hoping some others comment.