Ask the true believes to square the Diamond Princess, 9 dead out of 3,711 passengers and crew, 0.2%. All locked on board, no one could leave, the perfect locked room labatory.
Tam and Company are charlatans trying to avoid the hangman rope. Muddy the water now, scurry away later.
(Edited--typos, old man, old eyes, big fingers, small phone)
Yep... the perfect petri dish to see how things would work with shared air, maximum stress, poor sanitation, and limited medical facilities. And cruise ships are generally not representing of the general population. The diamond princess had an elderly population in comparison to any country in the world. There were other anomalies on board as well... like the amount of actual deaths. They were counting deaths months after the fact.
Yep I've seen numbers as high as 14 for deaths.. but like 2-3 months after the cruise. 6-9 were the deaths being reported at the time. Honestly, we should have had the best information at that time including underlying comorbidities of all the passengers but no one seems to know. I would at least be interested whether or not some of the passengers died due to the stress they were placed under, such as heart attacks, etc or improper use of mechanical ventilation (IIRC most of the deaths occurred after they got to the hospital). But for some reason, these questions were never asked.
I would like to know more about that. Ioannidis also wrote how the recent lower fatality rate is due to "avoidance of harmful treatments (eg, improper mechanical ventilation strategies)." https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/eci.13678
Edit: I vaguely remember hearing or reading or surmising that surgeons were intubating patients for infection control, to keep the exhaled virus from getting out. But I don't remember the source.
I can only speculate. As far as I understand it, the argument goes that no one knows if mechanical ventilators actually work. There has (for obvious reasons) never been an RCT proving there is any efficacy to them and there are problems such as patients getting too much oxygen for too long. There is also a risk of infection and pressure-damage to the lungs. If MVs are supposed to be used as a method of last resort, but are being overused, then it can lead to more deaths. So the argument goes. I have no idea how strong of an argument it is... but the use of MVs while not knowing whether there is any efficacy behind them has always bugged me. I would never let anyone close to me be put on one.
Don't ask the questions you don't want to know the answer to.
I have to think the Feds have that data, they record everything. And if we had REAL investigative journalists, all of the passengers would have been tracked down and assessed for comorbidities.
Thanks for covering this. I did read about this today but haven't had time to pick it apart. This afternoon I have been watching an excellent documentary called "Uninformed Consent". I am sure a lot of substack readers will be very familiar with many parts of this two part documentary but it's well
Counterfactuals is a field of study in history. For real. While it sounds hokey, what it means is you must know much more history (including stuff like economy and anthopolgy and culture and sociology) - you actually must know more to able to make things up.
And it's in the details. By learning about those, we can maybe find overlooked such details in our present. To us it is unfathomable that Hero of Alexandria's engineering didn't lead to an early industrial revolution, simply because to us it is obvious what the benfits would have been in harnessing steam and using iron instead of bronze (and iron wasn't rare in any way - it was harder and more expensive to work in than bronze, until it was not).
Say Hero would have taken his automatic doors further. Then what? And combined with Arkimedes' stuff. Oh my. And it's not hard to imagine someone inventing the steam powered cannon a bit early after the first time a primitive steam engine blows a gasket or shoots rivets all over the place.
And we ae currently, all of us, making the exact same mistakes that will cause humans in the 25th century go "But why didn't they ever ______? They had the technology. They had the know-how."
I posed this question to two other substacks already, but I'm going to ask you too, since you are close to the topic with this one:
Someone on Twitter was arguing on a thread about health care workers and recalling them (they thought they should not be).
They shared this with me: "Between June 06, 2022 and July 03, 2022, unvaccinated cases were 3 times more likely to be hospitalized and 4 times more likely to die from their illness, compared to cases with a completed primary vaccine series. During the same 4-week period, unvaccinated cases were 5 times more likely to be hospitalized and 5 times more likely to die from their illness, compared to cases with a completed primary vaccine series and 1 or more additional doses (see data notes in Technical notes and definitions section)."
I can't see the actual data that goes with the sweeping claim. They do have some bar graphs that are a summary of the data from Dec. 2020 until now (which makes it look worse for the UV). But the claim above covers the period when they stopped reporting by vaxx status in ONT and BC.
This summary statement appears completely out of sync with what the data showed before they stopped reporting hospitalizations, ICU and deaths by vaxx status. We can guess if the data was actually showing what they claim here, Ontario and BC would still be reporting by vaxx status. I don't know if I am missing something, but it seems that such a claim as they made should be supported with actual stats.
You aren't missing anything. You don't see it because it's not there. I'm sure the person referencing that table is a true believer that doesn't need to see the numbers, so it's never crossed his mind to look. In any case, they can write whatever numbers they want there, but if their ratios are based on the wrong numbers of unvaccinated people (not matched to census data) and to a lesser degree the wrong number of vaccinated people (no exclusions for the dead, etc), then what use are they? It's akin to playing make believe.
Thanks for this, as I was second-guessing my version of reality for just a few hours there.
Yes, I do remember you analyzing some of the Ontario data way back (mere months seem like lifetimes ago) and mentioning the outdated census data. It's infuriating that the talking points continue to get the traction and that people continue to line up for 3rd and 4th shots while thinking it is keeping them "safe." Not to mention the rollout for babies (that appears, thankfully, to be getting low uptake, but one shot is too many, IMO).
wasn't it a British model that got us all into this mess in the first place?
We know in Ontario they combine the truly unvaccinated with those less than 14 days post any injection... that is while they were still posting any information. We also know in Ontario that December 24, 2021 the reported fully vaccinated rate of infection began to out pace the unvaccinated and partially vaccinated.
Either way it's all propaganda. Everyone following this with only one eye open will know that. Tam is trying to save her butt and/or is being ordered by our fearless leader to re-write history.
Finally, I think it's important to call out this garbage, but it's still a nudge to keep us distracted...
A lot of the effectiveness of this deception goes back to Victorian-era ideas of 'public education'. From what I've seen in Japan, which is a copy-paste of the British industrial era Victorian model ... the purpose of education is to churn out specialized idiots ('semmon baka' in Japanese) who are just barely technically literate to be disposable labor. I just finished watching a Tess Lawrie interview of a guy helping with a new book, with not so new ideas, 'The Dark Side of Academia', and thought that though well intentioned, they were both a bit naive about the petty politics and corruption that have always been a part of higher education. It has always been about money and power, with a few altruistic exceptions trotted out on stage now and then. It has just become too infuriatingly blatant now.
On second thought, some technical progress happens, usually in small increments, but human nature and our collective understanding of it does not, can not, progress. It is more like a mandelbrot set with repeated patterns throughout history. I may be a bit harsh and jaded from my own experience (https://steven45.substack.com/p/beware-the-academic-halls-of-japan) ... but if the average person becomes educated, it is more likely despite institutional education, not because of it.
I posted this same over at Eugyppius.
CaliforniaLost
2 hr ago
How can ANYONE fall for that bull$hit?
Ask the true believes to square the Diamond Princess, 9 dead out of 3,711 passengers and crew, 0.2%. All locked on board, no one could leave, the perfect locked room labatory.
Tam and Company are charlatans trying to avoid the hangman rope. Muddy the water now, scurry away later.
(Edited--typos, old man, old eyes, big fingers, small phone)
Yep... the perfect petri dish to see how things would work with shared air, maximum stress, poor sanitation, and limited medical facilities. And cruise ships are generally not representing of the general population. The diamond princess had an elderly population in comparison to any country in the world. There were other anomalies on board as well... like the amount of actual deaths. They were counting deaths months after the fact.
Of course they were. An I correct in assuming those deaths were to their advantage?
Yep I've seen numbers as high as 14 for deaths.. but like 2-3 months after the cruise. 6-9 were the deaths being reported at the time. Honestly, we should have had the best information at that time including underlying comorbidities of all the passengers but no one seems to know. I would at least be interested whether or not some of the passengers died due to the stress they were placed under, such as heart attacks, etc or improper use of mechanical ventilation (IIRC most of the deaths occurred after they got to the hospital). But for some reason, these questions were never asked.
"improper use of mechanical ventilation"
I would like to know more about that. Ioannidis also wrote how the recent lower fatality rate is due to "avoidance of harmful treatments (eg, improper mechanical ventilation strategies)." https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/eci.13678
Edit: I vaguely remember hearing or reading or surmising that surgeons were intubating patients for infection control, to keep the exhaled virus from getting out. But I don't remember the source.
I can only speculate. As far as I understand it, the argument goes that no one knows if mechanical ventilators actually work. There has (for obvious reasons) never been an RCT proving there is any efficacy to them and there are problems such as patients getting too much oxygen for too long. There is also a risk of infection and pressure-damage to the lungs. If MVs are supposed to be used as a method of last resort, but are being overused, then it can lead to more deaths. So the argument goes. I have no idea how strong of an argument it is... but the use of MVs while not knowing whether there is any efficacy behind them has always bugged me. I would never let anyone close to me be put on one.
Don't ask the questions you don't want to know the answer to.
I have to think the Feds have that data, they record everything. And if we had REAL investigative journalists, all of the passengers would have been tracked down and assessed for comorbidities.
Have to think the data exists, just hidden.
Thanks for covering this. I did read about this today but haven't had time to pick it apart. This afternoon I have been watching an excellent documentary called "Uninformed Consent". I am sure a lot of substack readers will be very familiar with many parts of this two part documentary but it's well
worth watching. It was produced by Canadian filmmaker, Todd Michael Harris. https://drtrozzi.org/2022/08/06/uninformed-consent-documentary/ I hope this link works.
Thanks
Counterfactuals is a field of study in history. For real. While it sounds hokey, what it means is you must know much more history (including stuff like economy and anthopolgy and culture and sociology) - you actually must know more to able to make things up.
And it's in the details. By learning about those, we can maybe find overlooked such details in our present. To us it is unfathomable that Hero of Alexandria's engineering didn't lead to an early industrial revolution, simply because to us it is obvious what the benfits would have been in harnessing steam and using iron instead of bronze (and iron wasn't rare in any way - it was harder and more expensive to work in than bronze, until it was not).
Say Hero would have taken his automatic doors further. Then what? And combined with Arkimedes' stuff. Oh my. And it's not hard to imagine someone inventing the steam powered cannon a bit early after the first time a primitive steam engine blows a gasket or shoots rivets all over the place.
And we ae currently, all of us, making the exact same mistakes that will cause humans in the 25th century go "But why didn't they ever ______? They had the technology. They had the know-how."
That's the point of counterfactuals.
I posed this question to two other substacks already, but I'm going to ask you too, since you are close to the topic with this one:
Someone on Twitter was arguing on a thread about health care workers and recalling them (they thought they should not be).
They shared this with me: "Between June 06, 2022 and July 03, 2022, unvaccinated cases were 3 times more likely to be hospitalized and 4 times more likely to die from their illness, compared to cases with a completed primary vaccine series. During the same 4-week period, unvaccinated cases were 5 times more likely to be hospitalized and 5 times more likely to die from their illness, compared to cases with a completed primary vaccine series and 1 or more additional doses (see data notes in Technical notes and definitions section)."
From: https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/#technicalNotes
I can't see the actual data that goes with the sweeping claim. They do have some bar graphs that are a summary of the data from Dec. 2020 until now (which makes it look worse for the UV). But the claim above covers the period when they stopped reporting by vaxx status in ONT and BC.
This summary statement appears completely out of sync with what the data showed before they stopped reporting hospitalizations, ICU and deaths by vaxx status. We can guess if the data was actually showing what they claim here, Ontario and BC would still be reporting by vaxx status. I don't know if I am missing something, but it seems that such a claim as they made should be supported with actual stats.
You aren't missing anything. You don't see it because it's not there. I'm sure the person referencing that table is a true believer that doesn't need to see the numbers, so it's never crossed his mind to look. In any case, they can write whatever numbers they want there, but if their ratios are based on the wrong numbers of unvaccinated people (not matched to census data) and to a lesser degree the wrong number of vaccinated people (no exclusions for the dead, etc), then what use are they? It's akin to playing make believe.
Thanks for this, as I was second-guessing my version of reality for just a few hours there.
Yes, I do remember you analyzing some of the Ontario data way back (mere months seem like lifetimes ago) and mentioning the outdated census data. It's infuriating that the talking points continue to get the traction and that people continue to line up for 3rd and 4th shots while thinking it is keeping them "safe." Not to mention the rollout for babies (that appears, thankfully, to be getting low uptake, but one shot is too many, IMO).
wasn't it a British model that got us all into this mess in the first place?
We know in Ontario they combine the truly unvaccinated with those less than 14 days post any injection... that is while they were still posting any information. We also know in Ontario that December 24, 2021 the reported fully vaccinated rate of infection began to out pace the unvaccinated and partially vaccinated.
Either way it's all propaganda. Everyone following this with only one eye open will know that. Tam is trying to save her butt and/or is being ordered by our fearless leader to re-write history.
Finally, I think it's important to call out this garbage, but it's still a nudge to keep us distracted...
A lot of the effectiveness of this deception goes back to Victorian-era ideas of 'public education'. From what I've seen in Japan, which is a copy-paste of the British industrial era Victorian model ... the purpose of education is to churn out specialized idiots ('semmon baka' in Japanese) who are just barely technically literate to be disposable labor. I just finished watching a Tess Lawrie interview of a guy helping with a new book, with not so new ideas, 'The Dark Side of Academia', and thought that though well intentioned, they were both a bit naive about the petty politics and corruption that have always been a part of higher education. It has always been about money and power, with a few altruistic exceptions trotted out on stage now and then. It has just become too infuriatingly blatant now.
On second thought, some technical progress happens, usually in small increments, but human nature and our collective understanding of it does not, can not, progress. It is more like a mandelbrot set with repeated patterns throughout history. I may be a bit harsh and jaded from my own experience (https://steven45.substack.com/p/beware-the-academic-halls-of-japan) ... but if the average person becomes educated, it is more likely despite institutional education, not because of it.
Agreed. I am guessing the answers are there but are obfuscated by the agenda. I can be distrusting and cynical